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    Android Help Moronic Monday (Jun 22 2020) - Your weekly questions thread!


    Moronic Monday (Jun 22 2020) - Your weekly questions thread!

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 04:17 AM PDT

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    Apple once again crushes Android makers on software update support

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 07:13 PM PDT

    Hi /r/Android! Join us over at /r/apple for Apple's annual WWDC!

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 08:38 AM PDT

    New Google Maps features revealed: Better Uber fare estimates, public transit connections, and more

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 01:27 AM PDT

    OnePlus has turned OxygenOS into an advertising machine. Why is no one calling them out?

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 06:13 AM PDT

    There was a recent thread calling out Samsung for pushing ads via notification - https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/hdaf59/samsung_pushing_ads_in_notifications_even_though/

    But nobody seems to be calling out OnePlus for turning their OS into a advertisement machine. Everytime I enter settings I have a huge unremovable card with a red dot blaring at me.

    I don't give a shit about their red cable nonsense and I didn't pay for a phone to be infested with ads in its settings app.

    Here's a screenshot for reference -

    https://imgur.com/a/6ZgM9mB

    EDIT 1 - For everyone telling me it's merely a login service. IT'S NOT. It's an ad infested bloatware that is being masked as an account login service. Once you login, the cards start displaying red dots indicating a new notification. It's an entire advertisement centre once you tap on the card. I should have posted a second picture for clarity.

    https://imgur.com/a/KbzNoCD

    After OnePlus 8 was launched, they heavily advertised the phones, bullets etc. In this advertisement centre.


    EDIT 2 - OnePlus was also planning to preinstall Netflix and Facebook on future phones/OS updates but dropped the idea after lashback from community

    https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/allow-user-to-choose-which-stock-apps-they-want-to-install-during-set-up.1174902/#post-21557915


    EDIT 3 - Anyone who wants to get rid of this bloatware please checkout this thread on OnePlus forums

    https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/red-cable-club-should-be-removed-from-settings-page-how-to-remove.1215999/

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    WWDC Made Me Appreciate Android More

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 10:29 AM PDT

    Watching the iOS portion and seeing all these features that have been out for Android for a very long time, I realized that while it looks like Apple is being "revolutionary" with these new features, Android has had widgets, better Assistant UI, PiP, and the app drawer for far longer. But it also makes me see that while Apple is bringing radical changes mostly to software, Android has been seeing more refinements instead. Other than my Pixel 4's Assistant, every little incremental feature hasn't been revolutionary, but just a simple, better quality of life update. I almost feel that while Apple is just realising Android features and calling them revolutionary, Apple is also taking away what I find unique about Android and releasing it in a more refined manner. Android developers, especially Google, need to step up their game in software development and new, revolutionary features for OLDER devices, as well as release things for newer ones.

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    Use Google Voice and Google Fi, now with the same account

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 02:14 PM PDT

    Google is launching a way to buy Android app subscriptions outside of the app itself

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 05:34 AM PDT

    Do you think Samsung software is better than 'stock' Android?

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 05:56 AM PDT

    For years Widgets have been slowly forgotten in the Android world. Even OEMs and Pixels don't put widgets on their promotional photos! With the coming of iOS 14, should we expect the reemergence of Android Widgets in the coming years?

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 07:10 PM PDT

    I just hate how the smartphone industry works. Widgets, perhaps Android's one of most iconic features, have been slowly forgotten over the years and here comes Apple getting that feature, polishing it better than Google. This is so sad and frustrating.

    I'm a fan of Widgets, still use them a lot today on my Samsung. Android widgets are good, but they can be improved so much more. I feel like Android Widgets have gone really stale over the years.

    Edit: Oh yeah they actually feel more like Live Tiles than Widgets now that someone mentioned it...

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    Made a phone dock with cooling for desktop replacement

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 12:04 PM PDT

    IMGUR

    Now my phone stays at a comfortable 35c during dock use. It got so hot last time the battery deformed and the android system shut itself down.

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    Pixel 4a already offered at French webshops in 'Just Black' and 'Blue'

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 01:39 AM PDT

    [APK] Firefox Preview 5.2.0 (Stable) released with bottom sheet for tab management

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 10:48 PM PDT

    Google Pixel 3 Class Action Investigation – Chimicles Schwartz Kriner & Donaldson-Smith LLP

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 06:25 AM PDT

    Arthur Kenzo - [Designing the] Google Pixel 4

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 09:34 AM PDT

    Oppo Ace2 Review: Initial Impressions

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 06:13 PM PDT

    Setup

    The unboxing experience was very basic, like any other Chinese smartphone so I will skip this part, but it does come with a pre-applied screen protector and a surprisingly nice clear case. I thought it would be a cheap clear case that looked nasty on the phone.

    First thing I did was update the phone's firmware, then do a full factory reset. I set it up fresh, uninstalled what chinese bloat I could (there was a lot), installed playstore with the first apk I found, then using that I installed chrome + google keyboard. After turning on the app drawer, and dark mode I felt I had a very usable experience similar to what I had on my oneplus 6.

    I hate migrating phones, but the experience here wasnt too bad, I downloaded and used oppo's phone clone app from my oneplus 6, it connected the two phones with direct wifi and copied 30 gigs of data over in around 15min. I did not get much control in what gets copied over but it was still a very simple and hassle free process that I could appreciate.

    Software

    I'm going to start with this phone's biggest weakness. So the software is.. a mixed bag. Say what you will about the design, but ColorOS and oppo launcher are really well optimized. ColorOS has really come a long way from what it used to be. I tested a bunch of different launchers on this phone but I ended up going back to the oppo launcher cause it was just wayyy smoother and responsive.

    I wish that's all I had to say about the software but there's a lot more to say.. like how bloated this phone comes. Just random chinese apps everywhere. Most of them can be uninstalled off the bat, but the rest need a little more work to get rid of, including ADB and a little research. I actually think I would have liked coloros a bit more than oxygenos had this been a global version and came with less bloat. It's just a big hassle that I'm sure nobody wants to deal with after getting a new phone. The software experience here is great- if you're chinese. If you're not, you have a whole lot of work to do to get it somewhere good.

    On the other hand, I thought coming from oxygenos I thought this would be a complete downgrade, but much to my surprise there are a lot of things it actually does better. There are way more features, yes I mean useful ones, it feels smoother and more responsive for some reason (the animations are way quicker and smoother). I think ColorOS isn't actually that bloated once you get rid of the apps you don't need (using ADB where you need to). OxygenOS is great and used to be way ahead of it's time, but I feel the other choices available have caught up while OxygenOS hasn't really gone anywhere. My OnePlus 6 barely gets updates and is slow to get them when it ever even gets any. I've noticed that's a common occurrence with OnePlus devices, you get a lot of quick updates when your device is still a new release, but then it gets put on the backburner as new devices come out.

    Display

    This display is amazing, it's breathtaking. Side by side with my oneplus 6 it looks and feels like an upgrade in every way. The colors are better, and the smoothness is so satisfying, every bit as much as the 144hz display I had on my red magic 5g, which further leads me to believe anything above 90hz isn't really worth the price premium and battery cost.

    The punch hole was a little distracting at first since I wasnt used to it, but I quickly got used to it and dont even notice anymore. It's a very small punchole and is a nice upgrade from the big notch my oneplus 6 had. I would rather have this punch hole then the huge top bezel (and lost screen space) the red magic 5g had any day. I didn't realize this until I had the red magic 5g in my hand and wish I realized this sooner. The whole point of notches and punch hole I think is to give us more screen where we used to have bezel, and this is something I appreciate a lot more now.

    One of the biggest things for me here is that the screen is flat. I'm soo glad that I didn't have to compromise with curved edges. After owned an s7 edge, I never want to deal with that again. I know they aren't as bad as they used to be, but I still think it's silly to have to compromise with how the light reflects off of curved edges, the accidental touches or touch rejection, finding screen protectors that work, etc. If flat screens are cheaper I dont see why more manufacturers dont choose to go this route on their budget flagships at least (looking at you mi 10 non pro and oneplus 8 non pro).

    Body

    This phone is very solid and quality feeling. It doesn't have any super outstanding premium feeling that a higher end flagship might give you, but it does not feel cheap at all. The body is your typical metal frame, gorilla glass 5 sandwhich build. I have to say though, I love this two tone color on the back. It's like a black/navy type color that looks really elegant and sexy in my opinion. I hate oreo shaped camera modules but this is the one phone that I think it actually looks good on because of it's simple minimalist design.

    My favorite part of this phone is the weight and size. It's almost the same as my oneplus 6, in both weight and size, but has a larger screen. To me, that's amazing, because looking at all the new SD865 phones released this year it felt like I was going to have to give up the light weight and compact size of the oneplus 6 to upgrade to a "better" phone. It's one of the smallest and lightest Snapdragon 865 phones available and it IS the smallest and lightest one available with a flat screen, which exactly what I wanted. It just feels soooo comfortable in hand compared to anything else I've recently used. They really nailed the comfort aspect with this phone. I had no idea this was going to matter so much to me until I used the red magic 5g for a week (which isnt even that big or heavy for a gaming phone, there are worse offenders out there like the black shark 3). I can see why some people really want smaller phones now. For me, I like having a big screen, so it's not smaller phones that I want, but phones that have better screen to body and weight ratios.

    Sound

    Now here's where I found a nice surprise. Good stereo speakers. Never thought I would ever care about having this. I'm a headphone guy, and phone speakers always suck anyways so why would I care (so I thought). These are by far the best phone speakers I've ever heard, and they somehow blew me away even though I've never cared about how good the speakers on a phone were. They get very loud, and they sound very full. Even at the loudest volume setting where I expected the fidelity to deteriorate, it still had nice clear, smooth, full sounding stereo audio. I saw someone on reddit asking for a phone recommendation with good stereo speakers, apparently it was a must for him, and I didn't get why until now. I no longer feel the need to grab my headphones when I want to watch a youtube video, the stereo experience on this is just much better.

    There is still a con to be talked about however, no headphone jack. Having a headphone jack would have been nice, and even cooler if the phone came with a nice DAC (pretty much the only thing LG does right in their phones). Not a huge deal for me, I would be using bluetooth or a USB DAC anyways if it didnt come with a good internal DAC but it does make things less convenient in a pinch.

    Battery and Performance

    Well, it has a snapdragon 865 soc, so I haven't had a single hiccup yet. Phone is blazing fast as expected. Coloros is well optimized too. Battery is good too, I will report screen on times soon. Much better than my red magic 5g so far from what I can tell.

    The main star of this show though is that 40w wireless charging and 65w wired charging. Charging cable that it came with is kind of short but the phone charges so fast I don't think it matters. 4000mah might seem small compared to alternatives, but coloros is surprisingly very efficient with it, even with 90hz on and all the chinese bloat it came with. Im surprised they managed to fit a battery this size and a 40w wireless charging coil in such a compact and light phone (relative to similar spec phones).

    Closing thoughts

    I think this is what the OnePlus 8 should have been, and I hope for others that this is what the Realme X3 pro is going to be if not better. There are a lot of things more expensive oneplus 8 is missing out on here, like the 65w charging, wireless charging, flat screen, etc. The only thing I think it has going for it is that it seems like a nicer build/quality phone with better software.

    I think the Poco F2 pro on the other hand is a solid contender because it actually comes with global software, has a huge battery + great screen on time, has a decent camera and will have a big developer community. I ultimately ended up passing up on this phone because it doesnt have 90hz, wireless charging, 65w charging, doesnt support very many frequencies, has a slower face unlock and cause its a pretty heavy phone (so not as comfortable), but this phone will make sense as a better choice for many others that have different priorities.

    Pick what suits you and your needs best. All in all, this is a very underrated phone that doesn't get talked enough about outside of Asia. I think if you're interested in the Ace2, feel it fits what you want well at a price that you think is good that you shouldn't be afraid to buy it. It's a great phone and it's worth it. Just note that you may need to do some extra work to make the software experience good for you because of the chinese bloat (as you would need to with any chinese rom phone anyways). Not to say that the software is bad, cause it's very good software that's just marred by all the extra chinese stuff it comes with that most of us probably dont want or need.

    If there's anything more you guys would like to know about any of the phones that I own or have owned please let me know. I'll try to answer them the best I can. Would love to see some form of an Ace2 community grow but I won't be surprised if it's just me even months later.

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    does anyone else rock 2 phones daily?

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 08:09 PM PDT

    i am a little weird in the fact that i carry 2 phones on the daily (rarely leave one at home) and willingly do this. its not a work and personal phone its 2 personal phones i pay for and its all because i like technology and love features of android and iphone. anyone else in the same boat?

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    Sony Xperia 1 ii :: Just the Cameras

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 12:15 AM PDT

    Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 Pro/9 Pro Max review

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 10:57 AM PDT

    Google Assistant's visual snapshot now includes recipe suggestions and you can't remove it

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 06:31 PM PDT

    Apple's PIP animation is how I said Android's should have been from the beginning with gesture nav.

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 02:02 PM PDT

    On iOS 14, you swipe to go home and the app shrinks into the pip window. This is an obvious and intuitive animation.

    On Android 10+, you swipe to go home, and then the pip window fades into view. It's rather inelegant and somewhat... clunky.

    The other thought about iOS 14 I haven't seen mentioned anywhere yet is that app clips are also ripped straight from Android/the play store. The difference is, nobody used them on Android. I don't even remember what google officially called them... THAT'S how unused they were.

    Edit: instant apps. Android called them instant apps.

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    Is that really still relevant to compare iOS and Android updates just based on version numbers?

    Posted: 21 Jun 2020 11:20 PM PDT

    Hello,

    Disclaimer: If you plan to downvote because I list differences between the way 2 OS provide updates to users, you can do it, but think again .... I will never say that one or the other is better, I simply show that there are so many differences that we should think twice before comparing them.

    I have been having this thought for a long time, and I would like to express it with my best English (sorry for any typo/grammar), and would like to hear from your opinion. I am really tired to hear people saying "your Android is not updated, it's obsolete" just because they have seen the great chart from Apple PR and Marketing people and do not think about this simple statement: Android and iOS updates are so different they shouldn't be compared.

    I will talk about security at the end of the post, as this subject is way more complex.

    First, let me take the new features from this blog post I just read: https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/ios-14/

    And try to compare one by one with an old Android device, let's say on Android 8:

    tldr; An Android with Android 8 get 90% of an iOS update trough Play Store system apps update.

    1. Home Screen:

    Apple is rumored to add an App list and maybe widgets. This requires a full OS update. While on Android, you can get new Launcher changes every day, just with the update of this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.nexuslauncher&hl=fr

    If you didn't picked a Pixel phone, and a Samsung, you will get updates here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sec.android.app.launcher&hl=fr if you got a OnePlus: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.oneplus.launcher&hl=fr etc...

    I am talking about apps from your phone OEM, no need to install third party, even if we all know this would be easy, but that's not the point here.

    2) New Features for Messages

    I don't need to explain you that messaging updates is also just one update from Play Store, or even from Server side, Messaging got a search feature, RCS support, UI tweaks, and all the new features without the need of an OS update.

    3) Fitness app

    Also, another example of a "system" app updated through Play Store without the need to download a whole OS

    4)Activity app

    Google Fit, or Samsung health, or Huawei ,and most of manufacturers update fitness app through the Store

    5) New AR app

    Same thing here, new apps will be available through Play Store

    6) Sleep tracking app 7) Photo app integration 8) Safari 9) Podcast 10) XCode 11) Find My 12) CarPlay 13) carkey 14) XCloud keychain

    We are at point 14 and all these features can be added to an Android 8 device that has never been updated.

    15) Clips

    I don't really get this one, but it is described a an " Android Slices" competitor, so this would be updated through Google Play Services, or to be honest, as I am not sure, let's say this is the first feature an Android user needs an OS upgrade to benefit! EDIT: instant apps are distributed through Play Services.i was wrong. Zero features of iOS 14 are linked to the OS on Android. Meaning that the full update could be done on Android 8 without need to have new OS installed.

    16) Apple Pencil, 17)Homekit 18) Voice Synthetiser 19) Wallpaper packs

    Once again, all through Play Store regular updates

    20) Accessibility

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.marvin.talkback Once again.. No need for OS update.

    My point is that Android users get 19 most important features of iOS update without an OS update. Which is not worse or better, just different.

    And the last point, regarding security, SOME security updates are pushed through Play Services, SOME through security patches (And they are pushed through Android ORE0 8.0 without the need to update whole OS: https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-ends-support-galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge-four-years-after-launch

    If Samsung push Security updates on a 4 years old without updating the whole OS, this is clear, you should not be focused on OS level update to make your mind about security.

    When I look at security bulletin, https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2020-06-01 Patches are updated to AOSP 8.0 Which mean that a phone running OREO can be patched

    Once again, I am not saying that this update system is the best or great, I am just saying that it is not as bad as most people want to describe it.

    Have a nice day all and stay safe, wear your mask ;-)

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    What’s with the obsession with the back button?

    Posted: 22 Jun 2020 02:49 PM PDT

    Honest question here, not trying to troll. A lot of people here would rate the lack of a back button as a dealbreaker for switching to iOS. What's so bad about Apple's systemwide swipe from the left edge to go back gesture? I feel like the implementation is smooth, consistent and intuitive. I also feel like it's very quick to activate the back gesture too.

    Why do people still miss the inconsistently implementer back button?

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